Subject: January 29/11 Parsha study. From: cher turner Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:25:41 -0600 To: pam rogers THE LAWS, EXODUS 21:1, 24:3 Exodus 24:3 refers to the 7 laws of Noah Exodus 15:25 Basic Themes: -Adam should have been what Israel became - Torah defines Judaism - What is Judaism Exodus 20:8 - remember the Sabbath. keep sabbath holy Noahides , we may honor Hashem rest as Hashem did, may observe at the level of our understanding, observe as the 7 th day , sign of the covenant, remember the mixed multitudes attached lives and faith to that of Israel. we today are attaching ourselves to Israel. mixed multitude had to maintain certain level. live according to set rules, so not to make Jews sin. live up to their standard of faith, as we are to observe ,as Noahides in a slightly different way. Oceanoah: what Noadides should not do for Shabbat? Siddur: seventh day celebration on OKBNS site. Donald: can observe as much as you want , even just flip on light switch 2 minutes before its over and that would be fine. There are 39 no no's for Jews on sabbath. Yosheph kept sabbath in Egypt. pre-Sanai, it was honored , honor goes to the Creator to celebrate seventh day. Exodus 20:10 Convert-stones chumash also artscroll siddur uses convert.(dean) strangers not treated as slaves but , not given land. Ezekiel 47:22 ritual matters not that different if strangers were circumsized. Deuteronomy 23:4-9 Ger in biblical period , meant stranger, later a proselite in rabbinic age. Bob - Who is within the gates? Could Jews marry with resident alien? ? had to be Kosher or permitted animal for Ger to eat. 2 Kings 5:17 Biblical era definitions, - every person Jewish or not considered Noahide? we are all descendants of Noah There are different levels of observance. Donald- it is frowned upon for a Jew to marry a non-Jew. RWT: rabbinical prohibitions, much has changed in the last 2 thousand years. www. jewishvirtualibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ The Ger and our relationship. Idea: marriage , gather information , bring sources. Discuss our previous and ancient relationship with Israel. (jewishvirtualibrary) strangers , gentiles article. Ger, expected , permitted to offer burnt offerings. expected to be loyal to Hashem. Isaiah 56:3 Donald: Chabad,org. about marriage. Lubavitch, jewish intermarraige www.chabad.org/library. Uriah the hittite needs to be researched more and discussed. Exodus 24:3 talks about the law-- convert, (Exodus 20:10) within your gates. Ger Toshav- 1/2 convert. proselite of the law, full convert. Ger Zedek - gone through circumcision, hasn't been emerged, can't do both, full convert, in today's society, Ger in ancient time was? Maimonedies : someone who excepts the 7 laws , Ger. person who converted from idolotry, now al follower of Hashem. What was the original word was -convert within your gates , stranger living within your community. Rabbi E. Benamonzegh, translated by Maxwell Luria. -declare intenion noahide religion, baptism absolution, purifying oneself, pagen-converting to Noahidism. Opinion: Pagan to Noahide, noahide to Ger Toshav, ger toshav to Ger Tzedik, then to full convert. Frances: (RESEARCH WHAT LEVEL) When they arrived in the land there was a tribe of non-jews who deceived Joshua and they became the water bearers (can't recall the name) Joshua 9:7 Pam found footnote in Stones Tanach HERTZ P. 563 Leviticus 19:34, command of love of neighbor. friendless , homeless foreigner other nations around the world? Ger Toshav laws: Deutoronomy 31:10-13. Israel and resident alien, that they may hear the word of G-d , Isaiah 56:3. 56:6-8 ,we are to serve the Lord Almighty. Not for Noahides: making/wearing Tefellin observing sabbath in the same manner as the jews studying Torah not applying to us writing Torah scroll fixing mezuzah to door post.? {Some Rabbis say non idolaters who keep the seven Laws of Noah can affix inside the door post to make a distinction between them and a Jew. After Ben Noah takes on 7 laws ,they can observe sabbath , but not as a Jew does. noahide should not cause a Jew to break any law, BN Siddur p.262, p.244 www.asknoah.org. what is a pasik level Rabbi? specialist on the laws... A Rabbi who is qualified to make rulings on the Law.... Not just any Rabbi has this kind of Scholarship. Dr. Schulman - kind of like a doctor , there expertise is concentrated enough for a B'nai Noah , qualified to make ruling. -1 Kings 8:41-43 Solomon's prayer. -2 Chronicles 6:29-33 -code of law for gentiles- character of noahide code. political- not available Ger Toshav at this time , but should and could make a choice to live as we should according to Torah. Neh 3:7 and 7:25 the gibeonites returned from the captivity with Israel. Torahanytime has a video on 39 forbidden things not to do on shabbat , for jews Great discussion all !!!!! xo Cheryl